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		<title>By: Michael Meeks: 2009-06-19: Friday. &#124; Full-Linux.com</title>
		<link>http://gnu.wildebeest.org/diary/2008/08/01/the-javafx-trap/comment-page-1/#comment-94469</link>
		<dc:creator>Michael Meeks: 2009-06-19: Friday. &#124; Full-Linux.com</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 21 Jun 2009 06:03:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] has a few notable problems (behind the almost insurmountable technical challenges). JavaFX is not Free software - presumably it would have to be to base OO.o on it. Of course - Jeet announced that [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] has a few notable problems (behind the almost insurmountable technical challenges). JavaFX is not Free software &#8211; presumably it would have to be to base OO.o on it. Of course &#8211; Jeet announced that [...]</p>
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		<title>By: The JavaFX 1.0 License - Completely unreasonable? &#171; Lobo Project Blog</title>
		<link>http://gnu.wildebeest.org/diary/2008/08/01/the-javafx-trap/comment-page-1/#comment-90620</link>
		<dc:creator>The JavaFX 1.0 License - Completely unreasonable? &#171; Lobo Project Blog</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 22 Dec 2008 00:30:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] chatter about this back in August, but this was prior to the release of JavaFX 1.0. (See posts by Mark J. Wielaard and Anthony Goubard). The license was supposed to be early stage, and so [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] chatter about this back in August, but this was prior to the release of JavaFX 1.0. (See posts by Mark J. Wielaard and Anthony Goubard). The license was supposed to be early stage, and so [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Anthony</title>
		<link>http://gnu.wildebeest.org/diary/2008/08/01/the-javafx-trap/comment-page-1/#comment-78341</link>
		<dc:creator>Anthony</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 18 Aug 2008 19:06:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Mark,

I also read the license and noted a few points:
http://www.jroller.com/agoubard/entry/javafx_preview_release_read_the</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Mark,</p>
<p>I also read the license and noted a few points:<br />
<a href="http://www.jroller.com/agoubard/entry/javafx_preview_release_read_the" rel="nofollow">http://www.jroller.com/agoubard/entry/javafx_preview_release_read_the</a></p>
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		<title>By: anon</title>
		<link>http://gnu.wildebeest.org/diary/2008/08/01/the-javafx-trap/comment-page-1/#comment-77079</link>
		<dc:creator>anon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 06 Aug 2008 12:34:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I could care less about the license.  Give me inexpensive tools that allow me to create great maintainable software and I&#039;ll use them.

Why Sun panders to the open source crowd is beyond me.  What Sun needs to do is figure out a way to make money off JavaFX the way Adobe has managed to monetize flash.

I&#039;ve heard a lot of bitching about the period of time it&#039;s taken to bring JavaFX to market, but there is no amount of praying to the open source gods that could have produced a JavaFX caliper platform in the amount of time it took Sun to bring JavaFX to market.

I wish the open source community could put as much effort into coding as they do into bitching about the choice of license selected by a private company that has invested millions of dollars in product that has enriched peoples lives despite spending the majority of it&#039;s existence under a proprietary license.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I could care less about the license.  Give me inexpensive tools that allow me to create great maintainable software and I&#8217;ll use them.</p>
<p>Why Sun panders to the open source crowd is beyond me.  What Sun needs to do is figure out a way to make money off JavaFX the way Adobe has managed to monetize flash.</p>
<p>I&#8217;ve heard a lot of bitching about the period of time it&#8217;s taken to bring JavaFX to market, but there is no amount of praying to the open source gods that could have produced a JavaFX caliper platform in the amount of time it took Sun to bring JavaFX to market.</p>
<p>I wish the open source community could put as much effort into coding as they do into bitching about the choice of license selected by a private company that has invested millions of dollars in product that has enriched peoples lives despite spending the majority of it&#8217;s existence under a proprietary license.</p>
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		<title>By: anon</title>
		<link>http://gnu.wildebeest.org/diary/2008/08/01/the-javafx-trap/comment-page-1/#comment-76310</link>
		<dc:creator>anon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 01 Aug 2008 12:23:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>openjfx.org also works.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>openjfx.org also works.</p>
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		<title>By: anon</title>
		<link>http://gnu.wildebeest.org/diary/2008/08/01/the-javafx-trap/comment-page-1/#comment-76301</link>
		<dc:creator>anon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 01 Aug 2008 11:48:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think what you&#039;re looking for is at openjfx.java.sun.com
That is GPL and works on Linux.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think what you&#8217;re looking for is at openjfx.java.sun.com<br />
That is GPL and works on Linux.</p>
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		<title>By: Sun Employee</title>
		<link>http://gnu.wildebeest.org/diary/2008/08/01/the-javafx-trap/comment-page-1/#comment-76297</link>
		<dc:creator>Sun Employee</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 01 Aug 2008 10:55:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This isn&#039;t the final license, folks - just a hiccup along the way. Sun&#039;s committed to JavaFX being free and open.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This isn&#8217;t the final license, folks &#8211; just a hiccup along the way. Sun&#8217;s committed to JavaFX being free and open.</p>
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		<title>By: { heli’s code } &#187; JavaFX preview is out (and has an expiration date)</title>
		<link>http://gnu.wildebeest.org/diary/2008/08/01/the-javafx-trap/comment-page-1/#comment-76274</link>
		<dc:creator>{ heli’s code } &#187; JavaFX preview is out (and has an expiration date)</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 01 Aug 2008 07:30:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] JavaFX Trap (points out licensing issues) [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Kevin Kofler</title>
		<link>http://gnu.wildebeest.org/diary/2008/08/01/the-javafx-trap/comment-page-1/#comment-76256</link>
		<dc:creator>Kevin Kofler</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 01 Aug 2008 05:23:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;irreparable damage for which recovery of money damages would be inadequate…”

That sounds like: &quot;I&#039;d tell you my trade secrets, but then I&#039;d have to kill you.&quot; ;-)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;irreparable damage for which recovery of money damages would be inadequate…”</p>
<p>That sounds like: &#8220;I&#8217;d tell you my trade secrets, but then I&#8217;d have to kill you.&#8221; ;-)</p>
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		<title>By: mbien</title>
		<link>http://gnu.wildebeest.org/diary/2008/08/01/the-javafx-trap/comment-page-1/#comment-76232</link>
		<dc:creator>mbien</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 01 Aug 2008 01:38:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think its obvious that this is not the final license.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think its obvious that this is not the final license.</p>
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		<title>By: Webmink</title>
		<link>http://gnu.wildebeest.org/diary/2008/08/01/the-javafx-trap/comment-page-1/#comment-76222</link>
		<dc:creator>Webmink</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 01 Aug 2008 00:11:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>100% agree. Someone is missing an opportunity while imagining they are protecting one...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>100% agree. Someone is missing an opportunity while imagining they are protecting one&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Michael DeHaan</title>
		<link>http://gnu.wildebeest.org/diary/2008/08/01/the-javafx-trap/comment-page-1/#comment-76221</link>
		<dc:creator>Michael DeHaan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 31 Jul 2008 23:50:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Are they attempting to only pretend to appear to be open source friendly while not actually WANTING to be open source friendly?

You don&#039;t get any of the advantages of playing in the open source sandbox that way.   It defeats the entire point.

While I&#039;m not a Java fan, I was hoping Sun was turning over a new leaf, as that meant more innovation in a relatively locked down area would be possible.    I know I&#039;ve had issues with the JVM that I wanted to fix before, but never could, or things I wanted to improve... can&#039;t they see this should apply to everything they do?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Are they attempting to only pretend to appear to be open source friendly while not actually WANTING to be open source friendly?</p>
<p>You don&#8217;t get any of the advantages of playing in the open source sandbox that way.   It defeats the entire point.</p>
<p>While I&#8217;m not a Java fan, I was hoping Sun was turning over a new leaf, as that meant more innovation in a relatively locked down area would be possible.    I know I&#8217;ve had issues with the JVM that I wanted to fix before, but never could, or things I wanted to improve&#8230; can&#8217;t they see this should apply to everything they do?</p>
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		<title>By: aaa</title>
		<link>http://gnu.wildebeest.org/diary/2008/08/01/the-javafx-trap/comment-page-1/#comment-76218</link>
		<dc:creator>aaa</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 31 Jul 2008 23:31:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>you guys are really inpatient whiners.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>you guys are really inpatient whiners.</p>
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		<title>By: Andrew John Hughes</title>
		<link>http://gnu.wildebeest.org/diary/2008/08/01/the-javafx-trap/comment-page-1/#comment-76207</link>
		<dc:creator>Andrew John Hughes</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 31 Jul 2008 22:24:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>So there goes it being any kind of Flash killer... it&#039;s just as bad... GNU XF anyone? ;)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>So there goes it being any kind of Flash killer&#8230; it&#8217;s just as bad&#8230; GNU XF anyone? ;)</p>
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